CFP debate rages on

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Where do you stand on the value of the Certified Financial Planner (CFP) certification? Controversial comments from Association of Independently Owned Financial Planners (AIOFP) executive director Peter Johnston that the CFP is a “cash cow” have stirred up a passionate debate amongst the financial planning community.

The Wealth Professional online forum has been inundated with responses to Johnston’s comments, with passionate comments coming from financial advisers on both sides of the CFP debate.

Cameron McAusland kicked off the debate by commenting that “any industry that requires further education comes at a price – what does Mr Johnston expect? I get frustrated with people having a go at the FPA or the AFA when the goal is to improve the education levels of all industry participants.”

Roger Armitage, however, followed up with the statement that he is “not a fan of the FPA or the CFP”.

“I have two points about the FPA and the CFP,” he wrote. “Firstly, there is no tertiary institution in Australia that I am aware of that will not allow a mature age student entry into a post grad course based on industry experience without an undergraduate degree. The FPA have positioned themselves above Australia's universities in this.”

“Secondly, I would like to see some stats from the FPA about how many current CFP's received their mark due to being FPA members in the early days rather than any study or qualifications. I bet there are a lot of senior planners who fall into this category.”

Sonya Treble raised her objections to “not being able to publicise that you carry the qualification without paying for your membership with the FPA”.

“I was the one who paid for the courses, studies the materials and passed the exams to achieve the qualification,” she wrote. “Once you have a degree or qualification from another institution, (e.g. uni), you have it for life. A Bachelor of Arts, or a Bachelor of Law for instance (both of which I have) are not contingent on my being a member of any professional organisation. I think is totally outrageous and have objected to it for years to no avail.”

Numerous readers, however, went on to defend the FPA’s role in lifting the standards of the financial advice profession.

Peter O'Toole, for example, questioned the validity of Johnston’s comments.

“Peter Johnston's negative comments regarding the value of the CFP designation are not factually based,” he wrote.

“Research shows that the vast majority of CFPs believe that the designation enhances their reputation. Peter’s comments, as pointed out by another participant in this discussion, are in any case trying to have a bit each way.

“The FPA is a member based non-profit organisation working for the public interest and its members. Its overriding objective is to raise the standing of financial planners to that of a universally respected profession. The negativity of some of these comments is inexplicable. The road to a respected profession is not necessarily smooth as demonstrated by this debate. We all have the right to our individual views but they should be factually based & constructive.”

John Hewison added that “without doubt, the FPA has been the driving force for a lift in professional standards and the achievement of credibility for the financial planning profession in this country”.

“The FPA is a not-for-profit organisation and part of the cost of continually developing the standard, including the CFP program, requires funding. The FPA does not obtain government funding like education institutions so the comparison is ludicrous.

“I hold a Masters degree in financial planning but I treasure the CFP mark as a symbol of relevant specialist education and a commitment to professional standards and discipline – all of which comprise the elements of a profession. The only pay-back I expect is the recognition by my clients that my colleagues and I have attained the appropriate standards that they should expect from their professional adviser.

“What the FPA has achieved over 20 years is to be applauded and most recently the recognition by government and the regulator for the need to lift the legal standard for licensees. I would have thought that responsible industry players would have the good sense to recognise the FPA's fine work both here and on the international stage in respect to the development of a profession. Of course it is much easier to criticise for the sake of one's vested interest.”

Former FPA chairman Ray Griffin followed up with an impassioned defence of the CFP certification, which addressed Johnston’s criticisms. He argued that “any argument against the CFP designation which is based on clients not asking a planner if they hold the CFP designation, quite simply, misses the point”.

“It could well be that some potential new clients will already know that the planner they are about to me for the first time is a CFP. They could, for example, glean such information from websites and FSGs, just to name two areas,” he wrote.

Click here to read Griffin’s comments in full.

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  • Paul Wiltshire on 8/10/2012 4:54:22 PM

    The longer planners and governing bodies fight with each other the less likely the broken trust will get repaired. But I guess that's better then us joining together and making a difference to Australian families and fixing the failures of the system. Keeping preoccupied with the CFP CFA FPA and whoever else debate has taken our focus off the real problems in our country and our industry as a whole. it's a nothing debate really.

  • Josh on 31/07/2012 12:59:38 PM

    After years of study and big dollars, I have finally attained my CFP. However, I must say that this designation is only as valuable as the CFP freely handed out to advisers all those years ago. If the FPA were serious about lifting standards, they would make a clear distinction between CFP handed out of cereal boxes, and those CFP's who have earned it. Otherwise this designation is only as strong as its weakest link.

  • Alan on 31/07/2012 11:00:05 AM

    I generally agree with all the above comments and especially Martin's. I specialise more on the risk insurance part of planning and have for 20 years now. I have two degrees in Economics and Arts and worked as an Economist many years ago. I'm not a member of the FPA nor a CFP which to me is meaningless as most people wouldn't have a clue what it stands for and probably don't care whether it appears after your name or not. The important thing is that you act professionally and with integrity and always in the interest of the client. I pay a sub to belong to the AFA professional association because they do lobby government on our behalf and I guess they have to be paid for that.

  • Peter Stewart - Perth on 30/07/2012 4:43:02 PM

    It is a pity that the commentators and spokesman in the Financial Planning Industry are going to what seems to be at war with each other. There are a number of Industry and Professional bodies and it would be good if they would work together rather than trying to find fault in what each group is or not doing. We all live in glass houses and we should stop throwing stones at each other and grow up. We have enough issues to concern ourselves with our daily work than reading about people pushing their own agendas and stroking their own egos by being critical of other players in or Industry. We need to pull together and act professionally not like a bunch of school kids in the play ground saying what I have is better than what you have. For the record I am a memneber of both the AFA and FPA. I support both bodies and attend both conferences. I am a CFP and my practice is a FPA Professional Practice. I intend joining other bodies such as SPAA in the future.

  • Robert Northcoat on 30/07/2012 4:20:24 PM

    Would the CFP designation be better served, promoted and valued if it was administered by a seperate organisation to the FPA?
    Is the FPA compromising the standard?
    The FPA promotes a number of membership categories as well as the recently created professional practice designation. The latter is required to have a representative level of CFPs. However the way that this professional practice category associates with the CFP mark in my opinion diminishes its value as PP may not truely reflect the provision of a professional service normally associated with a CFP practitioner.
    Interestingly, a CFP member that does not wish to enroll for the FPA Professional Practice membership is unable to call itself an FPA Professional Practice.
    The waters are once again mudied.(refer back to Principal memberships)
    One thing that is for sure is that the CFP professionals will continue to go about their businesses in the professional and educated manner in which they have for a long time.

  • Gerald Allen on 30/07/2012 3:25:33 PM

    I studied hard and passed the DFP and then the CFP. Now I have to pay an annual licensing fee to the FPA to use the qualification. I agree with Sonya Treble that this is outrageous. I do not have to pay a fee to use my B.Comm. I am not impressed by what the FPA has achieved in lifting standards.

  • rod on 30/07/2012 1:01:32 PM

    never in 20 plus years have prospects asked about my cfp, let alone my experience as a planner or how long we have been giving advice or about my tertiary and post grad gongs.Prospects assume expertise in the main.
    Perhaps the FPA is overly anxious to improve our reputation by working on hard on the notion of "professionalism" which is a little lost on me. Mayb FOFA was aimed at the Dealers.

  • Martin Le Tessier on 30/07/2012 11:29:08 AM

    I also have never seen a client, in my 15 years in this industry, who has asked if I am a CFP. I have a Universiy Degree and 33 years experience in Financial Services but because I didn't get my Lightweight Diploma of Financial Planning early enough I didn't automatically get the CFP Designation. Now I have to spend Big money and time to do the CFP program for the privilege of paying increased subscription costs to the FPS. Additionally, being a CFP doesn't mean you are any better at your profession, especially those who were "given" the qualification in the 1990s. I think the original article is on the money and Ray Griffin has missed the point.

  • Paul on 30/07/2012 11:27:23 AM

    I'm a CPA where brand recognition amongst comsumers is right up there with the biggest in the world. Unfortunately the CFP's have backed the wrong horse and continue to do so and continue to pay fees for something that unfortunately means nothing to nobody.

  • Craig Smith on 30/07/2012 11:21:47 AM

    I have a post graduate Master of Commerce in Financial Planning yet that doesn't qualify me for CFP status. I completed 3 of 4 FPA bridging courses when they added a 5th! At the then price of approx $800/course I also concluded it was about the money and not the knowledge and discontinued FPA bridging studies. That a post graduate Masters rated below the FPA's diploma was a joke then that still continues today. Perhaps I would join the FPA if they accorded me CFP status. I am also a member of SPAA and an Accredited Specialist SMSF Adviser but that still don't reach FPA standards? I agree that industry standards need to be higher but let's recognise FPA's stance as equally about their finances as raising industry standards.

  • Conservative accountant on 30/07/2012 11:07:02 AM

    My undergraduate and post graduate degrees mean more to me than a badge. The badge may be taken away if you don't pay the fee so there is a certain independence here.This shows you have the ability to obtain a higher level education which is a good start for clients interested in your services.

  • Good advisers on 30/07/2012 10:46:11 AM

    In 8 years of being in business and main planner, I am yet to be asked from one prospect or client whether I am a CFP. I believe there is value is showing your education level but I know of CFP's that have smaller business or indeed less knowledge that I have.

  • Martin Webb on 30/07/2012 10:34:33 AM

    Maybe I am cynical but the AIOFP have a professional designation as well that of a Certified Financial Strategist (CFS?) perhaps they are just not as successful at promoting their brand? It is not beneficial to have an organisation attempt to discredit professional credentals at this stage of the planning industrys development.
    I am a CFP with an undergrad degree and I would not give up this designation it took a lot of work to earn it. Some clients notice it some don't, I don't think any of us know how many find this information out before they see a planner.

  • Roger McGrath on 30/07/2012 10:22:08 AM

    What about Anne Marie Seagrim from South Aistralia. She was given honourary life membership of the FPA without even having passed her DFP. Now she and her husband Peter are banned from giving financial planning advice for three years due to their tie up with Trio. The FPA needs to be carful about who they give professional titles to.

  • Ed on 30/07/2012 10:19:22 AM

    I have never had a client ask me about CFP quals in my 6 years as a planner. Clients don't care. I think membership of FPA is a more compelling point.

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